obama, clinton, who is a fascinating case study who suffers is below early on -- >> his father was killed before he was born. >> he grows up in a kind of environment without that kind of safety net. do? does it it seems to have given him the strength. that pattern, we see that again and again and again among people. >> do you think that is a majority? >> i do not. i make the same argument with dyslexia. there is an born -- minority pattern. you see a large number of successful launch vendors have dyslexia. that is not a common response -- of successful entrepreneurs have dyslexia. that is not a common response. that is not the typical response. it is fascinating to see this bimodal response to what we would consider just to be a setback. >> do you think that -- i mean, it is often said that some large comediansercentage of come to comedy out of pain. >> you know it is funny, i was just reading the new biography of johnny carson. it talks about, the fascinating thing where his mother, who was the most emotionally withholding, cold, and what was johnny carson? he was so tuned to the emotion